Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Julio Torres
Sorry, but this discussion is about guns, not racial ships.
Cos you get such great wrecking shots, range and dps off guns on the market or stuck in a can in your hangar?.....How the f**** can you not apply the effects from the ships these weapons are fitted to into the calculations used to balance them ffs...
That's a distinction between the weapon's statistics, and the ships' modifiers. If you change a weapon's attributes then you change its performance on any ship that fits it. If however you change a particular ship's bonuses that's a completely different approach.
The title of this thread, and the OP itself, posited that Tachyons were effectively a tier above other racial top-tier long-range turrets. Through looking at the statistics other posters have made it clear that tachyons themselves are comparable to 1400mm arties or 425mm rails.
Your issue seems to be that Gallente and Minmatar should have a sniper battleship. That is in itself a perfectly valid thing to suggest, but it in no way indicates that the statistics of tachs should be affected. Tachyons on an Apoc outrange/outperform rails on a Mega, because of the Apoc's bonuses, not because of the tachyon's stats.
To drop a little reduction ad absurdum, let's assume that Minmatar do get a sniper battleship and it gets 25% range boost per level. It can now hit out to 170km (+ decent falloff) with faction Fusion ammo in 1400s, vastly outranging/outdamaging all other snipers. Would we complain that the 1400mm arties were overpowered and other races turrets should be made equivalent? Clearly the imbalance is with the sniper ship itself, not the turret. Same story with tachs on an Apoc, it's the Apoc that makes them good rather than the turrets themselves being natively superior. |
Gartel Reiman
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
The title of this thread, and the OP itself, posited that Tachyons were effectively a tier above other racial top-tier long-range turrets. Through looking at the statistics other posters have made it clear that tachyons themselves are comparable to 1400mm arties or 425mm rails.
I haven't really seen any numbers, but possibly I missed them.
Bottom post on page 1 summed it up quite well:
Originally by: fuxinos
425mm with max Skills and Spike (unbonused) have 130km optimal + 30km Falloff and Tachs with Aurora have 119km optimal and 25km falloff (unbonused).
Its more like Gallente lack a ship with rangebonus rather then the weapons being imbalanced.
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